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		<title>By: mtk</title>
		<link>http://www.theworldsgotproblems.com/2011/10/09/occupying-political-space/#comment-214</link>
		<dc:creator>mtk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2011 20:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Occupy Oakland&#039;s General Strike Succeeded

18% of Teachers and the tacit support of the Longshoreman&#039;s Union gave backbone to the thousands of regular citizens loosely gathered under the rubric of being the poor or underclasses and against corporate policy that directly lowers quality of life in Oakland. Protesters against Police Brutality were another specific and large group who joined the largely peaceful protest and rally that closed not only the Port of Oakland, but dozens of local businesses that shut in solidarity with the workers.

Largely peaceful and utterly inspiring for a workday in Oakland, the Rally was beautiful. Kids marched as a group carrying a banner and chanting. People gathered, spoke, shared, protested the treatment of the Occupy Movement and organized together on a sunny, breezy Wednesday.

In the evening the protesters marched to and successfully closed the 5th largest Port in the country - and workers at the Port showed solidarity. The Port was closed all night.

After midnight, the Movement closed off Broadway between 14th and 16th streets and occupied a vacant building - which organizers say formerly held a non-profit that housed itinerant visitors - and a bonfire was made in the middle of the street, graffiti painted on the largely unused walls, and general chanting against the corporate rape of the middle class.

The Oakland Police arbitrarily decided they had had enough and that the flames from the bonfire - which was in the middle of the pavement in the middle of the road - was a threat to neighboring businesses. They demanded the protesters disband. The protesters refused.

Tear gas and explosive &quot;non-lethals&quot; were used and several protesters were arrested.

The Oakland Police and Mayor Quan continue to exercise the use of tear gas and brutal tactics in &quot;rounding-up&quot; and arresting protesters. There is no clear standard of behavior that constitutes policy - only a vague feeling of the authority wanting to decide when bedtime is - isn&#039;t that called a curfew?

No more than five businesses suffered broken windows and three of these were banks - stated targets. The others, a grocery story (Whole Foods) and Tully&#039;s franchise Coffeeshop were tagged as well.

A rumor spread quickly (and made RT)  that Whole Foods threatened its employees with action if they elected to participate in the Strike. The rumor remains unsubstantiated, but the single word&quot;STRIKE&quot; was painted on the front of the store early in the day and two windows were broken.

There was considerably more graffiti in the area at sunrise than there had been at sunset the night before.

In the morning the Port remained closed briefly as protesters held for a time before being coerced into removing themselves for the sake of workers returning for their shifts.

This negotiation between the Occupy Movement and the authority in any city Oakland, LA, NYC, Tulsa, Seattle is being conducted on Federal standards by the protesters and State or even City standards by the police. How can this be? The First Amendment is unequivocal. Occupy Oakland should be able to charge Jean Quan and the police in Federal court for abuse.

No, because the numbers - while considerable - weren&#039;t anywhere near big enough.

This was no General Strike ... but it was a rally of the kind we&#039;ve seen for the past decade labeled as a General Strike to great success within the media and civic sectors.

mtk
Rosencrantz, btw, caused the earthquake in Turkey</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Occupy Oakland&#8217;s General Strike Succeeded</p>
<p>18% of Teachers and the tacit support of the Longshoreman&#8217;s Union gave backbone to the thousands of regular citizens loosely gathered under the rubric of being the poor or underclasses and against corporate policy that directly lowers quality of life in Oakland. Protesters against Police Brutality were another specific and large group who joined the largely peaceful protest and rally that closed not only the Port of Oakland, but dozens of local businesses that shut in solidarity with the workers.</p>
<p>Largely peaceful and utterly inspiring for a workday in Oakland, the Rally was beautiful. Kids marched as a group carrying a banner and chanting. People gathered, spoke, shared, protested the treatment of the Occupy Movement and organized together on a sunny, breezy Wednesday.</p>
<p>In the evening the protesters marched to and successfully closed the 5th largest Port in the country &#8211; and workers at the Port showed solidarity. The Port was closed all night.</p>
<p>After midnight, the Movement closed off Broadway between 14th and 16th streets and occupied a vacant building &#8211; which organizers say formerly held a non-profit that housed itinerant visitors &#8211; and a bonfire was made in the middle of the street, graffiti painted on the largely unused walls, and general chanting against the corporate rape of the middle class.</p>
<p>The Oakland Police arbitrarily decided they had had enough and that the flames from the bonfire &#8211; which was in the middle of the pavement in the middle of the road &#8211; was a threat to neighboring businesses. They demanded the protesters disband. The protesters refused.</p>
<p>Tear gas and explosive &#8220;non-lethals&#8221; were used and several protesters were arrested.</p>
<p>The Oakland Police and Mayor Quan continue to exercise the use of tear gas and brutal tactics in &#8220;rounding-up&#8221; and arresting protesters. There is no clear standard of behavior that constitutes policy &#8211; only a vague feeling of the authority wanting to decide when bedtime is &#8211; isn&#8217;t that called a curfew?</p>
<p>No more than five businesses suffered broken windows and three of these were banks &#8211; stated targets. The others, a grocery story (Whole Foods) and Tully&#8217;s franchise Coffeeshop were tagged as well.</p>
<p>A rumor spread quickly (and made RT)  that Whole Foods threatened its employees with action if they elected to participate in the Strike. The rumor remains unsubstantiated, but the single word&#8221;STRIKE&#8221; was painted on the front of the store early in the day and two windows were broken.</p>
<p>There was considerably more graffiti in the area at sunrise than there had been at sunset the night before.</p>
<p>In the morning the Port remained closed briefly as protesters held for a time before being coerced into removing themselves for the sake of workers returning for their shifts.</p>
<p>This negotiation between the Occupy Movement and the authority in any city Oakland, LA, NYC, Tulsa, Seattle is being conducted on Federal standards by the protesters and State or even City standards by the police. How can this be? The First Amendment is unequivocal. Occupy Oakland should be able to charge Jean Quan and the police in Federal court for abuse.</p>
<p>No, because the numbers &#8211; while considerable &#8211; weren&#8217;t anywhere near big enough.</p>
<p>This was no General Strike &#8230; but it was a rally of the kind we&#8217;ve seen for the past decade labeled as a General Strike to great success within the media and civic sectors.</p>
<p>mtk<br />
Rosencrantz, btw, caused the earthquake in Turkey</p>
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		<title>By: Rodriguez</title>
		<link>http://www.theworldsgotproblems.com/2011/10/09/occupying-political-space/#comment-213</link>
		<dc:creator>Rodriguez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 19:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GOOD WORK FJ &amp; JASON.

Talking about OCCUPY LA and the cops, I think it&#039;s also important to note that since the beginning the &quot;organizers&quot; of this event have undermined any consensus process, by refusing to allow any resulting discussion of alternative ways to dialogue w/ the cops. The movement&#039;s &quot;organizers&quot; in LA have made it clear at GA&#039;s that they will do nothing less than take orders from the police about how and where to occupy, while excluding any radical voice from other occupy participants who are uncomfortable dealing with police in this way. 

READ from alternative voices within the movement here: https://unpermittedla.wordpress.com/

All this became most clear recently when the OCCUPY LA Facebook fanpage celebrated LAPD for dropping off supplies to protestors. I think for all of us who&#039;ve lived and worked in LA, it&#039;s not very radical to think that there is nothing fucking cool about working w/LAPD. 

Alot of heart out to the OCCUPY OAKLAND, where they haven&#039;t forgotten how to rally and organize!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GOOD WORK FJ &amp; JASON.</p>
<p>Talking about OCCUPY LA and the cops, I think it&#8217;s also important to note that since the beginning the &#8220;organizers&#8221; of this event have undermined any consensus process, by refusing to allow any resulting discussion of alternative ways to dialogue w/ the cops. The movement&#8217;s &#8220;organizers&#8221; in LA have made it clear at GA&#8217;s that they will do nothing less than take orders from the police about how and where to occupy, while excluding any radical voice from other occupy participants who are uncomfortable dealing with police in this way. </p>
<p>READ from alternative voices within the movement here: <a href="https://unpermittedla.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">https://unpermittedla.wordpress.com/</a></p>
<p>All this became most clear recently when the OCCUPY LA Facebook fanpage celebrated LAPD for dropping off supplies to protestors. I think for all of us who&#8217;ve lived and worked in LA, it&#8217;s not very radical to think that there is nothing fucking cool about working w/LAPD. </p>
<p>Alot of heart out to the OCCUPY OAKLAND, where they haven&#8217;t forgotten how to rally and organize!</p>
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		<title>By: Ronnie</title>
		<link>http://www.theworldsgotproblems.com/2011/10/09/occupying-political-space/#comment-212</link>
		<dc:creator>Ronnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2011 06:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I conquer with the need for collective acts of civil disobedience to stop the onslaught of greed, abuse of power, dishonesty, and meanness, it seems to me that most of what is occurring in Occupy is squarely in line with democracy, and would be so named in other democracies.  When we begin to believe that exercising populist community meetings, discussing the issues that have long needed discussing in this nation is an act of civil disobedience, we have bought into the systematic enslavement of our minds, the assumption that we have no rights and no power.  This movement is indeed the alternative to the mockery of a &quot;two party&quot;system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I conquer with the need for collective acts of civil disobedience to stop the onslaught of greed, abuse of power, dishonesty, and meanness, it seems to me that most of what is occurring in Occupy is squarely in line with democracy, and would be so named in other democracies.  When we begin to believe that exercising populist community meetings, discussing the issues that have long needed discussing in this nation is an act of civil disobedience, we have bought into the systematic enslavement of our minds, the assumption that we have no rights and no power.  This movement is indeed the alternative to the mockery of a &#8220;two party&#8221;system.</p>
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